Do you take credit cards?
Q: How do you ship?
Do you ship internationally?
Q: Do you charge sales tax?
Q: I see you have books available. I learn better with
audio cassettes/CD-ROMs, etc. Do you carry these
Q: What are 'eArticles', and how do they differ
Q: Why can't I print or resell the electronic
Q: How do you price your books and
Q: Your excerpt pages are kind of small and hard
Is there any way I can get a better view of them?
Q: I see on your book and article excerpts that your charts
are in color.
I know that your books are the standard black
and white, of
course. So, why are the excerpt charts in color?
Q: What other differences are there, if any, between the book
article excerpts and the actual copies that I will
Q: How did you choose the excerpts?
How representative are they?
Q: Do you have free trials
for your subscriber section?
Q: Do I have to go through
the 'Agreement Page' every time I log on
Q: I just bought a complete book set. In what
order would you
suggest I read
Q: I'm having trouble printing up some of your
pages. Is there some
secret to this
that I'm missing?
Q: I was wondering if your methodology
was specific to just one
market or timeframe, or does it apply 'across the board'?
Q: I just found your website after reading a positive post on a
doing a search/hearing about you from a friend, and I wanted to
possibly doing a mentorship with you. Any thoughts?
Q: I would like to join this free Kane Trading forum that I
What do I do
to get in there?
Q: I know you only sell the books as a
set now, but I really just want to
Median Line and Fibonacci Synergy book, since I only
want to learn
about median lines (or your Advanced Fibonacci book,
since I only
want to learn Fibs, or your ABCD book, because I only
want to learn
about ABCD's, etc.). Can you please, please, make an
for me and sell me just that one book?
Q: I bought your
books and I read the FAQ above about the order to
read them in,
but it seems to conflict with some of the prerequisites
listed on the
books page. Now I'm not sure what order to read them
in. What do I
Q: Do you take credit cards?
A: At this
time Kane Trading does not accept credit cards, but have no fear. Kane Trading
is a member of the PayPal network, and hence you can pay for your products
through PayPal, using your credit card. I have set up an easy to use PayPal
shopping cart for your convenience, if you would like to pay with a credit
card. Setting up a PayPal account is quick and easy.
Q: How do you
A: For domestic shipments the preferred method is via U.S.
Postal Service, media mail, with delivery confirmation. The shipping and
handling cost is determined by the total price of the order (excluding the
prices due to eArticles, which are electronically delivered), according to the
||Shipping and handling
If, for some reason, shipping via USPS doesn't
work for you, it may be possible for me to ship via UPS or FedEx. Arrangements
and costs would be determined on a case-by-case basis.
Q: Do you ship internationally?
A: I can ship
internationally. Shipping method is via Priority Mail Express International,
with tracking and insurance. Right now I have configured the costs within
PayPal for most of the countries I get orders from. When you check out and
select your country, you should see an amount in line with what I list below.
If not, please contact Jim and
your country will be added, and then you can try checking out again.
Costs vary by
country, but an average for a full book set (nine books and two hard copy
articles) with insurance, which weighs just under seventeen pounds, is in the
range of $95-$140 give or take, depending on how far away you are. Europe tends
to be in the lower end of the range, SE Asia a bit above that, and Australia on
the higher end. In general this is just a pass along cost for me. I even pass
along the 8% online booking discount.
Lately it seems that PayPal itself, when
booked through them, sometimes gives a bigger discount, but they haven't been
able to tell me ahead of time what that discount might be. If the amount you
pay is greater than the actual shipping cost, then a) it is not an intentional
markup on the prices I charge based on the USPS rate sheet, and b) the amount
over cost will be considered a 'box fee and handling charge'. I do not want to
get involved in trying to refund a small amount because PayPal gave a bigger
than expected discount. I think this is fair.
Q: Do you charge
A: Residents of Washington must add 7.7% sales tax to all
Q: I see you have books available. I learn better
with videos/audio cassettes/CD-
ROMs, etc. Do you carry these also?
Trading has just recently started out offering products for traders. At this
point my focus is on creating books and eArticles. Once I get a basic lineup
available, if they are well received, I plan to turn my focus to these
Q: What are 'eArticles', and how
do they differ from eBooks?
A: This is a great question, because I am,
perhaps, doing something a little bit different here. To start, basically, I
offer hard copy books. I also decided, though, to offer what I call
'eArticles'. I've done some works that are less than, say, eighty pages. I
decided to call these eArticles and simply offer them in PDF format.
These can be easily
opened and read with the free Adobe
Acrobat Reader. These would technically not be 'eBooks', since an eBook
would have a different format and would require an eBook reader. I chose not to
provide the eBook format because I don't feel eBook readers have reached a
mainstream enough level yet. Down the road I certainly will provide my works in
eBook format, too.
So, an eArticle is simply a PDF version of one of my smaller books
that's usually less than about eighty pages.
Q: Why can't I
print or resell the electronic (PDF) eArticles?
A: My 'normal' means of
offering my books is in the obvious 'hard copy' version, just like any other
book that you that might buy. But as I mentioned in the last FAQ answer, some
of my 'books' are smaller, and hence the printing and binding costs,
proportionally, become prohibitive. And some of my customers, too, prefer to
receive their book 'instantly', and not have to cut down any trees for a
printed version. A large part of my clientele is very strongly technically
For this reason, I decided to offer the smaller books in an
electronic version, in PDF format. The problem for me is that electronic
documents can be easily copied. Hence, an electronic version can be multiple
copied and sold, and a claim made that all that was being done is reselling
originals. This would, of course, be a very serious copyright violation, but
we've all seen what has happened in the music world. Like software, I'm selling
the electronic version as a 'single user' document.
Unlike most software, though, the
user agreement requires that the document not be resold. This way, if I see any
eArticles for sale, I can know with 100% certainty that these are in violation
of the user agreement for the article, and I can then take appropriate action.
If this is not acceptable, please purchase a 'hard copy' version. Also, since
this electronic version is being sold as an 'electronic' version, it will not
allow printing. If you want a printed version, again please purchase a 'hard
The advantage to the electronic version is that you can receive
delivery via e-mail in much less time, you pay less, and you don't cut down any
trees. It's a more specialized version of a product, but it meets the needs of
a large part of my clientele.
Q: How do you price your books
A: I have a fairly simple and straightforward way of pricing
my books. If a book is up to approximately one hundred and eighty pages of
content, I price them at ten dollars per thirty pages. Hence, a one hundred and
fifty page book would be fifty dollars, or in 'retail' terms, $49.95. Once past
the area of approximately one hundred and eighty pages, I reduce the price a
bit, sort of a 'quantity discount'. I price the pages after this point at ten
dollars per forty pages.
So, let's say a book is approximately two hundred and
sixty pages. The first one hundred eighty pages price out at sixty dollars, and
the remaining eighty pages add twenty dollars, since that's two forty page
'units' at ten dollars each. This is an approximate guideline for me, and I
tend to err on the side of throwing in extra pages.
Now, as far as the eArticles, I
follow a very similar type of guideline. Most of the eArticles are in the range
of thirty-five to eighty pages, and I price them at approximately ten dollars
per thirty-five to forty pages of content, to reflect the absence of printing
costs. With the eArticles, though, I take into account a little bit more the
value of the topic.
Sometimes, I feel, I can explain a valuable concept in fairly short
order. But, just because I can write it up very concisely doesn't mean it has a
low value. Some of the things that I present have taken me years of intensive
study to discover. So, although I generally follow a similar pricing guideline
with the eArticles as I do with the books, sometimes the eArticles will be
priced according to the value that I perceive them to have.
Q: Your excerpt pages are kind of small and hard to read. Is
there any way I can
get a better view of them?
A: If the excerpt is not filling your
browser page in such a way that it requires you to scroll down to see the lower
portion of the page, you aren't seeing the image in 'full size', as I intended
it to be viewed. Internet Explorer 6 has a setting called 'Automatic Image
Resizing', which directs the browser to 'resize' images that would require you
to scroll. Although this may be quite handy for some people, it makes certain
images much smaller than intended.
There are two ways to handle this. If you simply 'mouse
over' the image, you'll see an 'Automatic Image Resizing' icon appear over the
lower-right hand corner of the image. Click on that icon and the image will 'go
back to normal'. The other option is to disable this resizing feature.
To do this, you go
to the Tools menu and click on Internet Options. Click on the
Advanced tab, and then scroll down until you get to the
Multimedia area. Now look for the line that says Enable Automatic
Image Resizing. Uncheck the box in front of this line.
This will now allow
your browser to display images at the size that the website creator intended
them to be viewed at. The Microsoft website has a good article entitled 'Learn How to Use Automatic Image
Resizing' that discusses this topic. This article goes into a little bit
more detail than what is provided here, plus it has some additional links to
Q: I see on your book and article excerpts that your
charts are in color. I know
that your books are the standard black and
white, of course. So, why are the
excerpt charts in color?
A: When I create the original
document for a book or article, the one that I eventually send to the printer,
the charts are imported as they come from the charting software, and that is in
color. As I experimented with the best ways to capture the excerpts, I decided
that scanning in the hard copy pages and converting them back to digital images
was a very low quality way to go. I came up with a technique to capture them
from the original electronic document.
I was going to then convert those
captures to grayscale, but it turned out to be more of a 'brownscale' than
anything else. I decided to just leave them as they were. The purpose of the
excerpts is to give the viewer a chance to get an idea about the material, and
not to show an exact representation, down to the last pixel, of what will be
received. The books are the standard black and white, but the excerpts are
captured from the original documents that I send to the printer. On the other
hand, the eArticle versions, sent as a PDF file, do retain the color chart
Q: What other differences are there, if any, between
the book and article excerpts
and the actual copies that I will receive?
excerpts are not exact reproductions of the pages in every case. It was a very
difficult task to capture all the excerpts, and it was fraught with seemingly
never-ending technical difficulties. In some cases certain lines were getting
distorted because they were at the bottom of the word processing program when
the capture was done, for example. To resolve this, in a few cases, I increased
or decreased the line spacing a small amount. Hence, there may be slightly
different spacing than the actual book. In a few cases I added an extra line of
space on an excerpt.
In the excerpts the page number is gray, but it is black in the
actual books. This is an anomaly of how the word processing program displays
the page numbers. This gray view has no effect on the printed version. In a few
cases I also found typos, misspellings, or punctuation errors as I did the
excerpts. I corrected these as I found them, and will correct future runs on
the books. Depending on the run your book comes from, you may see one of these
very minor variations. I'm always trying to improve the book and article series
in any way that I can. All in all the differences will be very minor, but I
wanted to be clear about it.
Q: How did you choose the
excerpts? How representative are they?
A: This hits right on what was the
toughest part for me in doing the excerpts. I won't pull any punches here. I
have written about sixteen hundred pages so far for the book and article
series, and it has been an incredible investment of time and energy. From a
personal standpoint, this is time I had to take away from being with my family.
I'm all right with having done all the work that I have, but I want to be
fairly compensated for it.
I feel I have put together a great series of works that
should really help out serious traders with their trading. The problem is,
there are a lot of people that just want to read the free commentaries and free
articles, ask me a lot of questions by e-mail, and try to glean all the
methodology out of me for free. This is a never-ending battle for me. I won't
even get into my thoughts here on the likelihood of success of a prospective
trader who goes to all this effort to try to avoid investing such a nominal
amount for what I feel is such valuable information.
This problem persists in the
excerpt issue. I want to choose a good selection of excerpts, so those that are
trying to make a solid, informed decision can have some additional information
to work with. On the other hand, I'm not going to show all the key discoveries,
things that took me years and years of hard work, research, and real-life
trading 'knocks' to discover, and give them all away in the excerpts. If I was
going to do that, I would just put all sixteen hundred pages on the website for
free, and leave it at that.
If you are wondering if the material is for
you, the excerpts may help you somewhat in your decision, but they aren't going
to allow you to do a really full, detailed evaluation. They simply can't
because I was very, very careful in choosing what things I would show with
them. You can get a look at my writing style, and things of that nature, but
there are well over a hundred free commentaries posted on the website (around a
thousand pages, in word processor format), as well as additional free articles,
and if you don't know my writing style, my method of teaching and my level of
skill after looking at all that, a handful of excerpts isn't going to make much
of a difference.
I just want it to be totally clear that if you look the
excerpts over and don't see a lot of detailed information or truly
revolutionary material there, you should look over why you were expecting that
in an excerpt. There's no other way for me to say this: if you want to get all
of the concepts, ideas, and methodology that I have written up, you have to buy
the books! Look over the thousand or so pages of free commentary, articles, and
excerpts, and decide if you think I know what I'm doing, if I can teach, and if
you think I can help you, and then make your decision. I can't do more for my
readers than that.
Q: Do you have free trials for your
A: No, I don't. The target audience for the
members subscription services is the core Kane Trading readership. Those that
have the books and follow the Kane Trading website closely. Those that already
feel the material is very useful and a great value for them. The people that
have been asking all along if I would provide a service like this. The details
provided on the membership
page, combined with what they have already learned from me and the
extensive archive of free commentary and free articles on the website, are more
than enough for them to make an informed decision.
I do not want to try to attract
people who need to be 'talked into' the service before they even have the
books, or before they can clearly see that what I have to say is of value to
them. And those that see the value don't need to be 'talked into' anything,
they have been asking me to offer it. Although I will allow anyone to
sign up, even if they don't have the books (although I feel it would be hard to
fully understand what I am showing), those people aren't my target audience.
Those that would ask for a free trial aren't my target audience.
Add in the great
difficulty of trying to keep all the free trials straight and deal with all the
fake, repeat sign ups, and it just isn't the direction I am going to go in.
Those that know my work and what I offer will immediately see the value in what
I am doing here, and those that don't surely won't be swayed with a free trial.
I believe you get what you pay for, and my core followers will immediately see
the value in this service, without needing a free trial to determine that.
Q: Do I have to go through the 'Agreement Page' every time I log
on to my
A: No, you don't. I suggest that you find whatever
page you would prefer to start from and simply bookmark that page. You can then
start there in the future and when you use that bookmark you will be prompted
for your password, just the same as when you started at the 'Agreement Page'.
The purpose of the 'Agreement Page' is to confirm and record that the user has
read, understood, and accepted all the Disclaimers, Terms & Conditions, and
Policies of Kane Trading before entering the members subscription section for
the first time. Once this has been done initially it is not necessary to do it
every time the section is reentered.
Q: I just bought a complete book
set. In what order would you suggest I read
A: I would
read them in the following order:
Keep in mind that you should expect to
read these books at least 2-3 times to get a good handle on the concepts. Feel
free to mark them up and write a lot of notes and questions in the margins.
They are designed to be 'working manuals'.
- Advanced Fibonacci Trading
- First part of Chapter 3 of A Totally
New 5-Point Pattern (pages 39-45 minimally)
- Trading ABCD Patterns
- Multiple Timeframes and
- A Totally New 5-Point Pattern (reread
the first part of Chapter 3)
- Entry Techniques
- Trailing Stops
- Trade Management
- The 4-Point Continuation
- A Pattern Trade Entry
- Four 'New' ABCD Pattern
- Median Line and Fibonacci
Update: Please see this additional FAQ
Q: I'm having trouble printing up some of
your pages. Is
there some secret to this that I'm missing?
A: No, it's
now a 'known issue'. It was brought to my attention that some people were
having trouble printing some of the pages on the website. I took a look at this
and found out that I was having the same trouble. After some rather extensive
sleuthing I found out where the trouble was. So much for 'amateur' website
order to move the Kane Trading logo down on the bottom left of the pages so
that it lines up the way I want it to I came up with an image spacer to force
it down to the right level. What I didn't know is that once it gets to a
certain maximum height it somehow freaks out the browser. You can see what is
happening by choosing any long page (like this one) and going to file: print
preview and watch what happens to the page count. It goes up indefinitely. That
is why it won't print, it hasn't finished counting the pages. It gets stuck in
this infinite loop.
This leaves me with quite a dilemma. I can find a way to redo how I
get that image down there, using another method. That's all fine and good, but
I have something like two hundred pages on this site, and it's impossible for
me to even consider redoing and reloading all those pages. I am still thinking
on this, but an answer isn't likely forthcoming. That leaves me with 'the
In the meantime, you can highlight the text and images you want to
print and then go to file: print and when the screen pops up, hit the button
for 'selection' and then 'print' and it will print the selected region. I have
tried this and it works. You can also cut and paste that into Word, but that
may require you to do a little shuffling to get it all lined up.
Lastly, you can
make it all easy on yourself and just buy the archive on CD. There are enough options
here that I will likely leave it this way, and pursue an update for future
Q: I was wondering if your methodology was specific
to just one particular
market or timeframe, or does it apply 'across the board'?
get asked this question quite a bit. I consider the methodology 'fractal' in
nature. What I mean by this is that the patterns, layouts, and setups seem to
appear on all timeframes, and it seems like many times each 'layer' makes up
the next 'layer', so in a sense the setups and such are made up of smaller
timeframe setups, and the setups from a given timeframe are building up the
foundation for higher timeframe setups, and so on. This is my interpretation of
what I have seen.
Put in a less 'abstract' way, I have found the methodology applies
across all timeframes on all liquid issues. I must emphasize that I only apply
the methodology to issues that are liquid, and I believe that is a maxim that
should be applied regardless of the methodology. I have applied the methodology
from tick charts on the mini's up to monthly and quarterly charts on
treasuries. I have applied it to stocks and option plays, futures from energy
to grains to softs to treasuries to metals (precious and industrial) to
currencies, and so on, as well as spot FOREX currencies. As long as the issue
is liquid it seems to apply.
I have found this to be one of the great advantages to
my approach that it is not limited to a certain market, viewed only in a
certain timeframe. I have seen essentially identical setups on a mini tick
chart that I have seen on a monthly stock chart. Hence, the 'fractal' nature of
the methodology. Interestingly, the methodology applies across the timeframes
in a given issue, such that if a setup is found on say a 3-minute chart, it may
have a setup on the daily chart, too, or on other various timeframes, or may be
in the process of playing out a setup on one timeframe and be forming a setup
on another timeframe, in true 'fractal' nature. I frequently use the 'context'
of higher timeframe setups to assess lower timeframe setups.
I get a lot of
positive comments from people who have studied my work, about how they are no
longer constrained, as they were in their previous methodology, to a limited
number of markets (or even a single market, talk about a business disaster
waiting to happen), or to certain timeframes, and that has been a huge positive
for them. I have said many times that I 'stalk' the timeframes for setups, and
that I will trade 'anything on any timeframe, as long as I have a setup'. I
have developed my methodology around that concept.
Q: I just found
your website after reading a positive post on a forum/doing a
about you from a friend, and I wanted to inquire about possibly
doing a mentorship
with you. Any thoughts?
A: Well, step one is to thoroughly read the mentorship page, to get an idea what the
program is about. This is not a 'normal' mentorship program like you might find
elsewhere. I won't reiterate what is on the mentorship page, except to say that
I am not working hard to get students for the program, or 'taking all comers',
or anyone with the money who wants to sign up. I am just not running a program
like that. I only take on a small number of students per year, and I am very
selective. My goal is to pick good candidates, and do my very best to present
the methodology to them in a one-on-one situation.
This should not be intimidating to
you, since I am not saying you must be the brightest person being considered at
the time to be eligible. I am looking for students who want to do the work, who
have a solid work ethic, and very importantly, have looked over the methodology
and have decided it is suited to them. It fits their personality and style of
trading. You don't have to be an experienced trader, just a hard-working and
dedicated one. I have worked with beginners all the way up to a very
experienced analyst and a hedge fund manager working large sums of money, all
long before they found me.
Now, how do you determine if the methodology is suited
to you? That's one of the main reasons why I have the over two-hundred free
commentary and free articles on the website. For people to look over the work
and see if they like it, if it suits them. Only you can decide that. I don't
know you, your personality, or your goals. Read all the articles and archived commentary, and decide if this is
a style you think is for you. That's step two. Before I continue, let me
explain what I don't do.
I don't have a mentorship program that you just sign up
for, and in a long weekend I 'teach you to trade'. That is the basis for,
perhaps, 99% of all mentorship programs out there. This isn't the time or place
for my thoughts on that, but it isn't what I do. I offer a program for
those that feel my methodology is something that they want to study, something
they want to work hard at over time, because they have seen enough of it, say
through the commentary, articles, and books, that they want to pursue
no claims of any kind about the methodology, or what I can do for you as far as
making you into a trader. As I say on the 'About Kane Trading' page, all I
promise is that I'll try to provide quality educational material. I work hard
at showing what I have developed, and that's all I can do. What you do with it,
and even if it can be of use to you at all, is beyond my control. So, after the
first two steps, should you send me an e-mail and 'get on the list'? No, not
yet. You see, this is about levels, and stages. The commentary potentially take
one to a certain level. The next level is the books. They are the core foundation for the
entire body of work.
Here's another way I differ from almost everybody else. I require a
student to have read all the books at least twice before the first mentoring
session. I can't teach the methodology from scratch, it just isn't possible. It
is extensive and detailed. The books alone are over two-thousand pages (don't
be too intimidated by that, as they are 'easy' to read, with many sequential
examples, and are very 'user-friendly', in my opinion), and I suggest students
mark up the pages with questions and notes. This is the foundation that I will
then build upon during a mentorship. This is the logical sequence.
It also makes sense
that until you complete the next stage, and do the required work with the
books, you can't really be sure if this is still for you. So, step three is to
buy the books and get to work. Don't expect to do this in a weekend. As I have
said many times all over this website, if you plan to be a professional trader,
and go up against highly skilled and highly capitalized professionals and then
take their money, don't expect that this is even remotely possible with less
training than it takes to be a doctor, commercial airline pilot, architect, or
other professional. My work is one possible step in that process.
Once through the
books, if you decide this is for you, and you want to attempt to take it to the
next level, I have the members'
archive, with over fourteen-hundred charts and one year's worth of
commentary. This is an archive containing many then-timely applications of the
methodology, from when I ran the members' service. This is included with the
mentorship program, but can also be purchased separately, and the cost applied
to a mentorship, within certain guidelines (see the membership page for details
on that). You can get that, and work your way through there, and see if you
still feel the methodology is for you.
If you are sure after the books and
perhaps the one-time phone support,
you can discuss the mentorship with me. If you do sign up, you will still be
required to work through the archive before we do our first session. If you are
almost sure I suggest getting the members' archive, and after that you'll have
the next level of work to help you with your decision. The level after that is
the mentorship. You see, you can keep going up the levels, step by step, to
wherever you want to take this. Is a mentorship the end?
No, I have one
student who has done the mentorship program three times now, and I have reached
a higher level with him than any other student I have worked with. And have I
taught him everything I know now, and shown him the highest level work that I
can? Not by a long shot. One of the things I have been considering for the
future (it's just something I am mulling over at this point) is to create an
'internship' program, which would be like the mentorship program, but with more
one-on-one time, and the program would be all-inclusive, in that it would
include the books, what is in the current mentorship, and be expanded with more
would then offer only that one product, just for the very most serious
students, and not sell the books or anything else separately. I would also
require a non-disclosure agreement, as most mentors do, especially because I
would include a lot of the very latest of my discoveries that I have not
published since I hung up my pen. This is just a thought right now, but you can
see my thinking here, as far as the seriousness of my approach. This is an
integrated methodology where I feel all the pieces are critical to the whole,
and I prefer to present it to a handful of hard workers who really want to take
it to the highest level they can.
The point of this rather lengthy answer here is to
explain the logical process to potentially doing a mentorship with me. No, I am
not being arrogant or wanting people to jump through hoops hoping to be 'lucky'
enough to have an audience with me. I just have a certain kind of methodology,
and a certain way of presenting it that I feel it is worthwhile, and I feel it
is important for people to follow the process so as to get the most out of it,
and make the most informed decisions. If you feel I may be worthy of being your
mentor, then you should feel I have a good reason for outlining the process as
I have. I have worked this process out over time, and I feel it is the best
approach right now that I have come up with to date.
Q: I would like
to join this free Kane Trading forum that I heard about. What do I
do to get in
A: Let me start by explaining the forum. I was getting a
lot of requests for a place where my serious students (those who buy the
full book set, or mentor with me) could post and share ideas with each other
about the methodology, in an 'unrestricted' manner. You see, I ask, in the
books, via correspondence, and in the mentorships, that some of the more
advanced material in the books be 'kept quiet', and not discussed with other
traders, or posted to any public forum. This is in everyone's best interest, to
retain the value of the work. So far, everyone has kept to this promise, as far
as I know. After all, we all have a vested interest in retaining this
Given this, it was difficult for my students to share ideas, then,
with others. I was asked by a gentleman I know if I wanted a private forum on
his website, and I asked him to create one where my students could post. This
is a forum for the students, not for me. I try to drop by and make some posts,
when time permits, but it is for students to share their ideas on the
methodology. It is open just to full book set buyers, and mentor students. So,
in order to sign up and read and/or post in there, you must first purchase the
book set. It would make no sense, and it would even defeat the purpose of the
forum, to make exceptions and let non-book set buyers in there.
I have tried to
make it clear that this is the criteria for admission to the forum, but a fair
number of people still contact me, some of them obviously very skilled and
experienced traders, but I must turn them down. I am sorry if you got the
impression this was open to everyone. I do have a 'public'
forum on the same site. That is open to everyone, but it is not very
active, since my students go to the private forum, and my time is so limited I
just can't post there much. When I have some time for posting, I do the higher
level stuff in the private forum.
One thing I can say about the forum, and that is I feel
it is the highest level, most courteous forum I have ever seen. That's not
because it's 'mine' (which it's not, it belongs to the website owner), I feel
it's because most of my students are very, very serious, hard workers, and
because no one has anything to prove in there. They are all pretty much on the
same page, so there is none of the nonsense you see in just about all forums.
When I'm posting, I have nothing to sell, and when the students discuss the
work, they have nothing they are trying to prove. There has never been a
negative comment in there, and I doubt there ever will be.
So, in order to get
in there, you must first purchase a full book set. Once you have read through
them (please don't ask to get in there before you've even read the material at
least once!), contact me and ask me for the website address, or follow the
public forum link above and get signed up. It's free, and you don't need to
provide anything but minimal information, as far I know. Again, this is not my
website, so that's between you and Guy, the owner. Once you have a 'handle', a
user name, you e-mail that to me and I'll get you 'permissioned'. From there,
you just log in and enjoy. Keep it friendly and non-judgmental, and everyone
will keep getting along great. I think this is an incredible resource where
people studying the methodology can work to help each other out.
Q: I know you only sell the books as a set now, but I really
just want to buy
your Median Line and Fibonacci Synergy book, since I
only want to learn
about median lines (or your Advanced Fibonacci book, since I only
learn Fibs, or your ABCD book, because I only want to learn about
etc.). Can you please, please, make an exception just for me
and sell me just
that one book?
A: As the Kane Trading project has
evolved, I've made various changes that I felt were not only in my own best
interest (such as things that allowed me to have more family time), but also in
the best interest of my students. If one has come to me as an educator, that
implies some sort of belief in my judgment and ability in that role. If you
don't agree with my reasoning in how I run the project, perhaps you won't agree
with my trading philosophies, either.
I explained here, in detail, my reasoning behind
the decision to sell the books only as a set. If you are reading this FAQ you
probably want me to sell you just one or two books. Please follow this link and
review the reasoning behind why I sell them only as a set, and why I chose just
one book, Trade Management, as a stand-alone for potential evaluation
purposes. This will 'catch you up' on how I got to this point.
Now, despite that
explanation page, I still get requests, not all the infrequently, to make
exceptions. Mostly the requests detail all the reasons why I should make an
exception. Sometimes, regardless of my ongoing explanations, the person will
send me multiple e-mails, further explaining why I really should make an
exception this time. If you read the page I linked above, you know that part of
my reasoning is to free up time for me (to spend with my family). Lots of
e-mails, individual discussion about exceptions, and individual packing and
shipping and trips to the post office completely defeat the attempt to have
time. This doesn't even get into the technical reasons why I made the decision,
a sense this is calling my decision into question. I came to the decision after
a lot of thought, and I feel it is the right one for me, and my students. And
if I make exceptions, who do I make them for? Some, and not others? If I do it
for everyone, there is no full set requirement then, and I'm back where I was
before. If I do for some and not others, how do those that don't 'make the
Imagine if you knew someone made exceptions to a rule, but you got
turned down? That's a place I don't want to go to, creating situations I don't
need to create. And, if one knew I made exceptions if he or she made a 'good
case', that would motivate people to send me extensive e-mails trying to 'make
the grade' and be an exception. This totally defeats the purpose of me getting
my life back to spend some time with my family.
Based on my experience, some of
which has been outright unpleasant, this policy frustrates and even angers some
people. I'll take the humble approach and apologize in advance for not making
the requested exception. I truly believe that if you have an emotional reaction
to this policy, my logic in how I present my trading ideas likely won't be a
good fit for you. I take about the same approach to just about everything I do,
and if you are not in agreement with me on some things, perhaps you won't agree
with my trading logic, either. And hopefully my discussing this won't further
Q: I bought your books and I read the FAQ
above about the order to read them in,
but it seems to conflict with some
of the prerequisites listed on the books
page. Now I'm not sure what order to read
them in. What do I do?
A: This is an anomaly going back to when I sold
the books individually. The correct order is the order listed above in this FAQ answer. When I was selling the books individually
I wanted to make sure people knew what I felt was important prerequisite
reading for a given book. Once I went to full sets only, I had to come up with
what I thought would be the best overall order to read them in, which is what
is listed in the FAQ answer.
I tell people to read all the books, then start them
over again for a second read. I expect most serious students will read them
five or more times, perhaps many more, over the course of several years of
study. It wasn't as important that some prerequisites be fulfilled as it was to
see the material unfold in a certain order, especially in light of the idea
that the books would be reread almost immediately, and hence the next time the
prerequisites would be already met. There is an immense amount of material in
the books, and it is going to take many passes to grasp even a fraction of it,
in my opinion. So, stick with the order I suggest above.
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